Narrative and Metaverse, Pt. 4 – Carrying the Fire

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Narrative and Metaverse

Part 1: The Living Word

Part 2: Gain of Function

Part 3: The Luther Protocol

Part 4: Carrying the Fire

The other night I had a dream about my father, who’s been dead 26 years now. It wasn’t a big dream. It wasn’t a Cormac McCarthy dream, full of Meaning and Portent. No, he said something that I don’t remember, and then we just sat together for a while. That was it. No story to it at all. Just a connection with someone who is very important to me, someone who was as real and alive in that dream world as I was in that dream world.

Just a connection.

Just a connection that is instantly familiar to anyone who has ever lost a friend or family member, which is to say instantly familiar to every human being who has ever lived. Just a connection that would be even more familiar and commonplace to any non-modern human, as every civilization on Earth once considered the dream world as real as the waking world, and the dead as physically present in their lives as the living.

Just a connection that is profoundly alien to any AI or constructed modern intelligence, as it expresses a social relationship that lives entirely outside of the macroverse and exists solely in the Metaverse – the mental world of symbols and images (unstructured data) that are imbued with meaning by humans through the application of coherent linguistic structures (grammar) to create patterns of communication (language) that can tell a story that will shape our thoughts (narrative), and which finds physical expression in the electric, neurochemical ocean of quadrillions of self-organized neurons across billions of human brains.

Just a connection, but our most human connection. Our uniquely human connection. Our if and only if connection. A connection that is always experienced uniquely and individually and idiosyncratically, but a connection that is also a shared human communion that has occurred tens of billions of times over thousands of years.

It is a Mystery, in the true and original meaning of the word.

And it is dying.

At the core of mass society is a concerted and intentional effort to replace human connections to family and friends with inhuman connections to the Nudging State and the Nudging Oligarchy.

The replacement of human connections to family and friends is not limited to the present, but is even more pronounced in the severing of human connections to the past and the future, creating, in Orwell’s words “an endless present in which the Party is always right”.

This is the Long Now.

In 1793, Napoleon invented the military draft, a mass conscription where every able-bodied man in a geographic region known as “France” could now be forced to fight and die for this “France” idea. This was also the invention of Total War, where millions of humans could be connected with each other through the idea of “France” in service to the prosecution of a military objective.

Nationalism is also just a connection, but it is a connection that scales.

Driven by their early defeats in these Napoleonic Wars, the Prussians invented compulsory public education soon afterwards, so that the men conscripted by their versions of the Napoleonic levee en masse would have the training required to be more effective soldiers and, more importantly, have this “Prussia” idea instilled in them from childhood.

Yes, public education was invented for the express purpose of scaling the narrative of nationalism. This is why the Pledge of Allegiance exists in our schools. This is why the national anthem is played before our high school football games. And it’s not just for making better soldiers (although that, too). Public education is a social institution designed to create a stronger connection between citizens and the State, for whatever uses the State might find for that connection.

Ditto for every other social institution that has the word “public” in it.

Public transportation was invented by the French and English in the 1820s. Public health was invented by the English in the 1850s. Public hospitals at scale and public taxation at scale were invented by the Americans in the 1860s. The Prussians – now calling themselves “Germans” – invented public retirement insurance in the 1880s.

Education, health, transportation, retirement – by the start of the 20th century all of these core dimensions of human society had the word “public” in front of them, something that 150 years earlier would have been literally unthinkable because the words literally did not exist. By the start of the 20th century, the narrative of nationalism and a connection to the State and its apparatuses (political parties and executive bureaucracies) was front and center in the lives of most Americans and Europeans from cradle to grave. By the end of the 20th century, I believe that these were the dominant connections for every human on Earth.

And that’s just the half of it. As strong as the connections between citizen and the Nudging State have become since Napoleon unleashed the scalable narrative of nationalism, our connections with the Nudging Oligarchy have easily become their equal. How?

Through the use of the other narrative connection that scales … debt.

We’re all familiar with the idea of a “company store” and a “company town”, a closed system where the employees have nowhere else to spend their money or buy what they need to live. In such a system, price and choice are illusions, as both are set by the company – as are wages – to minimize labor costs through the creation of indentured workers. In this system, an extension of company credit to buy things at the company store that the company wages will not cover inevitably puts the workers in a position of owing the company for the privilege of keeping their jobs, rather than the company owing them for their labor. Inevitably, debt stops being expressed as a level in a company town, and is instead expressed as an ability to pay, where no one talks about the absolute amount of credit that has been extended, or even the price and term of that credit, but only about whether or not the monthly payment is “affordable”.

8-year auto loans, anyone? 50-year mortgages? Buy now, pay later for your groceries? We can keep your monthly payments low!

We live today in a company world, a closed system if your vision extends just beyond the horizon, where we are not only locked into a specific company for the paycheck or (increasingly) the health insurance plan, but where we are also locked into a interlocked and ubiquitous system of financial services firms in symbiosis with our employers and our suppliers of goods and services. The modern company world provides essentially limitless credit for anything that’s intangible or depreciates quickly, anything that lets the non-rich FEEL rich. How about a nice dinner out? New smartphone? Maybe a vacation? You deserve it! How about a couple of years of graduate school? More than a couple of years, shooting for a tenure track position? [Heh, heh] I mean … why certainly, even better!

We are told that “experiences” and “education” are the highest goals in life, and that debt in service to these behaviors is no debt at all, but is rather an “investment” in living our best possible lives. I tell you this is a lie. Or rather, it is a non-truth in service to the corporate arm of Fiat World, where reality is declared by assertion, where we are told that inflation is “zero in July” and 6 months of declining real GDP is no big deal if we don’t call it a “recession”, where we are told that massive wealth inequality and the preservation of tax breaks for private equity billionaires are necessary for “job creators”, where we are told we must vote for ridiculous candidates to be a good Republican or a good Democrat, where we are told we must buy ridiculous securities to be a good investor, and – most importantly for the Nudging Oligarchy – where we are told we must borrow ridiculous sums to be a good parent or a good spouse or a good person.

Nina:   Now Milton, don’t be greedy, let’s pass it along and make sure everyone gets a piece.
― Office Space (1999)

Consumer credit for experiences or rapidly depreciating items is the functional equivalent of an office birthday cake. Debt provision for pleasant, cheap-to-make things (ooh, cake!) together with a smiley-face authoritarian narrative (don’t want to “celebrate” with your office “family”? Hang on a sec while I mark that on your personnel record.) is a highly cost-effective behavioral tool for maintaining worker attachment in the face of objectively deteriorating social conditions and increasing levels of debt.

The level of consumer debt – meaning student loans, auto loans, credit cards and the like, basically everything except mortgage debt – in the United States today is 4.5 trillion dollars. That’s up from 2 trillion dollars 20 years ago, with all of the expansion in per capita debt above expansion in median incomes happening over the past 10 years.[1] And contrary to common knowledge (what everyone knows that everyone knows), this was NOT entirely due to skyrocketing student loan debt. Yes, student loan debt levels increased by 56% from 2013 to 2020. But credit card debt went up by 35% over the same period. Auto debt increased by 70%.

Unlike the aftermath of the Great Financial Crisis, where consumer debt declined for a period of years through a combination of defaults, tighter credit standards and reduced consumer spending, banks and other financial services firms never tightened their credit standards or stopped lending post-Covid.[2] On the contrary, the extension of credit for the purchase of experiences and depreciating assets has never been sold harder.

In the most recent quarter, from March 31, 2022 to June 30, 2022, the level of US non-mortgage debt went up by $100 billion. That’s the most non-mortgage debt ever taken on in a single quarter by the American consumer. Over the past year, the level of US non-mortgage debt went up by $260 billion, similarly the most taken on in any 4-quarter period by the American consumer.

The response to this in the political and financial press is that this isn’t a problem, that the American consumer’s ability to pay what they they owe in debt servicing is still at a “manageable level”, that if you look at debt levels as a ratio of monthly wages or some such, that all is well. This is company town speak!

Your attention and your thoughts are intentionally being turned away from the level of debt and the price you are paying for that debt and towards the cash-flow “manageability” of that debt.

The result is a permanent burden of debt for most Americans, a cradle-to-grave connection with their lenders that rivals the cradle-to-grave connection with their government.

Just a connection.

There are dozens of variations on this theme of pervasive inhuman connections that scale. Every action by the RNC and DNC is designed to make a connection with your identity as a voter, and to make that connection the most important part of your life. Every action by Disney, Comcast and Warner/Discovery is designed to make a connection with your identity as a spectator, and to make that connection the most important part of your life. Every action by Amazon, Google, Facebook and Apple is designed to make a connection with your identity as a consumer, and to make that connection the most important part of your life.

It’s not just that these inhuman narratives scale, it’s that the organizations that weaponize these narratives scale, too. Big Tech, Big Media and Big Politics are an inhuman triad of immeasurable power that is destroying the Mystery of humanity one click at a time.

I mean, the last thing I look at before I go to sleep at night and the first thing I look at when I wake up in the morning is my iPhone. Not my wife. My iPhone.

Christ, how did it come to this?

I’m not using the word “Christ” as an expletive. It’s a genuine question. I’m not a religious guy at all, I’m not a Christian as that word is commonly understood, so I’m not asking this as a prayer. It’s a rhetorical question, but no less genuine for that, to the most revolutionary, most clear eyed, most full hearted human being who I suspect ever lived. It’s a pertinent question because for thousands of years this was, in fact, the role of religions like Christianity, to serve as a source of humanizing connections against the dehumanizing connections promoted by State and Oligarchy. This was the essence of Christ’s teachings – and the Buddha’s – and the Prophet’s – of every foundational teaching of every religion in the history of the world – to celebrate the Mystery of human connections to the living and the dead and the not yet born, across a weaving of past, present and future humanity with threads that touch the Divine. What the hell happened to that?

Now that was an expletive. That was not a genuine question. That was my anger at the fact that organized religion today – certainly in countries where it still matters, where it is still a powerful societal force, like the US or India or Iran – has been almost completely captured by a political party and no longer serves as a fortress of human community and human connections. On the contrary, organized religion today embraces the political and the mundane, making a mockery of its tenets and its faith. I am angry because the answer to the question “hey, what can withstand and push back against an inhuman triad of technology, media and organized politics that will use the narratives of nationalism and credit to suck the marrow out of humanity’s bones?” is a faith that celebrates the human Mystery, and organized religion is the natural host for that faith. But from my outsider’s perspective all I can see is how organized religion has forsaken that faith, and joined the bone breakers and marrow suckers.

Can the temples be cleansed (again) and organized religion reclaim its social role as a bulwark of the human spirit? I sure hope so. And anyone engaged in that effort will find me to be the staunchest of allies. But I am certain that an organized religion based on a belief in a transcendental God is not the only path for a faith in the human Mystery! What I want to suggest is a secular faith that celebrates that human Mystery. It is not THE faith, but it is MY faith. You are welcome to join me in building the structure to house this faith. You are also welcome to build your own. In the Metaverse there are many mansions.

My faith is an ark. It is a place of safekeeping for human memories and connections, for what would otherwise be swept away by the flood of political and corporate nudges we have unleashed. It is a vessel to transport these human memories and connections from the present to the future.

My faith is an archive. I call it the Narrative Omni-Archive of Humanity, or NOAH for short, and it is intended to allow every human being, literally EVERY HUMAN BEING, to record their story as they wish it to be told to those who will come after them. For free. Forever.

Where will we build out this ark and archive? In public libraries the world over, the natural home for a free archive of stories and the rightful home of a forever digital ark. Of all the institutions that saw the word “public” attached to them in the 18th and 19th centuries, the public library is the only one that was not hijacked for a connection with the State, I suspect because private booksellers and public schools both saw an advantage in starving the public library from public funds. And now with the supremacy of Amazon, public libraries have been left for dead. What an opportunity! Public libraries are a jewel, not a diamond in the rough, but a fully cut diamond in plain sight, the ideal venue for a community-based public space to reconnect with a secular human faith.

In the beginning, the technology to record these stories can be simple. Some audio, a couple of scanned photos that the storyteller wants to preserve for her children’s children’s children … that’s it. The cost of storing this amount of data, even at immense scale, isn’t trivial but it isn’t impossible, either. Within a few decades, I believe it will become feasible to make a holographic recording of everyone – and again, because I know you don’t believe me yet, when I say everyone I mean literally every single one of the eight billion humans on planet Earth today and all the billions of humans to come – as they wish to be seen and speaking what they wish to be heard about their life.

Because no one should tell your story except you.

Except that’s exactly what has been stolen from us by Big Tech, Big Media and Big Politics: the ability to tell our own story, the ability to even recognize that we have – each of us – our own story to tell. Instead, our stories – our identities – are categorized and autotuned for us. Constantly. Without cease. It’s not that we’ve been turned into numbers. No, it’s much worse than that. We’ve been turned into someone else’s story. We’ve been turned into non-player characters in someone else’s game.

Well fuck that.

We are NOT the hollow men. We are NOT the stuffed men. Our voices are NOT, as TS Eliot would have it, “quiet and meaningless as wind in dry grass or rats’ feet over broken glass in our dry cellar.” Nope, I’ve got a story to tell, and so do you. I’m not going to be quiet about my story. I’m going to shout it. And so should you. I’ve got a faith to profess, and yes, that faith is both an ark and an archive. More than that, though …

My faith is an arc.

My faith is a story about stories, about connecting those who are gone and will be gone with those who are not yet here. It is a story of an ark and the ark makers, and that’s what will give it power to compel attention and respect. The story of the ark is Noah, sure, but it’s also Superman. It’s Romulus and Remus. It’s Moses. It’s the Pilgrims. Everyone understands an ark. Everyone understands an ark maker. It’s one of the Old Stories, and it sings with a positive energy of hope when the world is in a dark place.

But if you join me in this making, in this protecting, in this teaching, you have to embrace the role of ark maker. And that means recognizing that we will not live to see this structure come to its full fruition. As the saying goes, we must be wise enough to plant the tree in whose shade we will never sit. That’s our role in the ark story. It’s not something to be feared, but it must be understood.

And that brings us full circle. What I said about my dream of my father, that it was just a connection, that it was not a Cormac McCarthy dream of Meaning and Portent, that was absolutely true. But this dream, this dream of Noah and NOAH, this dream of ark and arc, well that IS a dream of Meaning and Portent.

From No Country For Old Men, with a Coen Brothers’ script taken straight from McCarthy’s book …

Loretta Bell : How’d you sleep?

Ed Tom Bell : I don’t know. Had dreams.

Loretta Bell : Well you got time for ’em now. Anythin’ interesting?

Ed Tom Bell : They always is to the party concerned.

Loretta Bell : Ed Tom, I’ll be polite.

Ed Tom Bell : Alright then. Two of ’em. Both had my father in ’em. It’s peculiar. I’m older now then he ever was by twenty years. So in a sense he’s the younger man. Anyway, first one I don’t remember too well but it was about meeting him in town somewhere, he’s gonna give me some money. I think I lost it. The second one, it was like we was both back in older times and I was on horseback goin’ through the mountains of a night. Goin’ through this pass in the mountains. It was cold and there was snow on the ground and he rode past me and kept on goin’. Never said nothin’ goin’ by. He just rode on past… and he had his blanket wrapped around him and his head down and when he rode past I seen he was carryin’ fire in a horn the way people used to do and I could see the horn from the light inside of it. ‘Bout the color of the moon. And in the dream I knew that he was goin’ on ahead and he was fixin’ to make a fire somewhere out there in all that dark and all that cold, and I knew that whenever I got there he would be there. And then I woke up…

In this dream of Noah and NOAH, of ark and arc, we are not the dreamer and we are not the child.

We are the father.

We are the past of the present yet to be.

We are the ones carrying fire in a horn, just like the oldest of days. We are the ones going up ahead to make a fire in all that dark and all that cold. We are going first, and we will be waiting in the Metaverse for our children and our children’s children and our children’s children’s children whenever they get there.

This is how we resist the Long Now, how we find an alternative world to the endless present where the Party is always right. By connecting the human past to the human present to the human future. By carrying the fire of our own stories in our own words across the weave of time and space.

This is my faith.


[1] The consumer debt numbers below are from the NY Fed, which provides a detailed quarterly breakdown of personal debt, starting in 2003. I’ve stripped out mortgage debt in these calculations and then created a per capita debt level by dividing by the Fed’s US population numbers (age 16+, not incarcerated or in elder care facilities, not on active duty in Armed Forces). I’m comparing that to median personal income data from the FRED database of the St. Louis Fed. Neither of these numbers are inflation-adjusted. That’s intentional for an apples-to-apples growth rate comparison. I’ve chosen median personal income because I don’t think that the very rich use credit like the rest of us. That is, I doubt Jeff Bezos has an auto loan that he has to pay every month, or that he maintains a big balance on a Visa card.

What this chart shows – and as I suspect most readers’ lived experience would confirm – is that discretionary, non-investment debt like credit cards, student loans and auto loans grew a lot faster than incomes right before the Great Financial Crisis, and then went down a lot faster in the aftermath of the GFC as you had lots of defaults and a decline in consumer spending on cars and college and everything else. That makes sense for what should happen in a recession, right? But our 2013+ experience is without precedent, as non-mortgage debt began to grow faster than incomes in the absence of recessionary stress.

[2] Here’s the same NY Fed data series, similarly with mortgage debt stripped out, but here I’m looking at growth in the level of debt from a period one quarter before the worst of the Covid and GFC recessions (Q2 2020 and Q4 2008 respectively) to eight quarters after. So this chart shows consumer debt growth or decline from Q1 2020 through Q2 2022 for Covid post-recession behaviors and Q3 2008 through Q4 2010 for GFC post-recession behaviors.

While consumer debt declined by 8% in the eight quarters after the nadir of the GFC recession, through a combination of defaults, tighter credit standards and reduced consumer spending, consumer debt increased by 13% in the eight quarters after the short-lived Covid recession.

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  1. Avatar for Schase Schase says:

    Next steps please! The darker forces you describe sound like negative network effects.

  2. Yes, very dark forces. But not much darker than what Voltaire was writing about. And, on the bright side, we’re still here a couple centuries later. In fact, Ben’s note is full of optimism and love for the entire human race (to which, unfortunately, I can’t relate), so not so dark after all.

  3. Avatar for bhunt bhunt says:

    National ET conference next spring - ET Connect - in Nashville, TN, where we’ll discuss NOAH and NEWS and much more besides. Before then I expect we will launch a foundation to separate some of these projects (or at least the financing) from our company.

  4. Part of this note reminded me of a moment from my past.

    Some years ago–more than I care to think about, frankly–I was in Las Vegas with this gal. She wanted to go see the Bodies exhibition that was on display at one of the hotels. If you’re not familiar, the exhibition is real human bodies, stripped of flesh, and preserved for display. You get to see the muscles, the nervous system, whatever it is that each body is meant to highlight. I told her I couldn’t do it. Each one of those bodies was once a person. They were a son or a daughter. They were a father or mother, maybe. They were someone in this world. They existed. They had dreams. They had people who loved them. But they weren’t an abstraction or a science experiment or a f**king piece of modern art for drunks to gawk at. I told her all of this, politely and gently, because it was the only way to hide my rage at what I saw as savage inhumanity. As it turns out those bodies are maybe (probably) all from prisoners in China, so the odds are good that the thing I found to be so grotesque and unethical is actually worse than I suspected.

    The exhibition is still going today. For $32 you can see what is most likely a number of Chinese prisoners, stripped of their humanity (in this case literally), and on display for you to marvel at. You can tell yourself that you’re going because you want to see the intricate nature of the circulatory system up close. You can tell yourself that looking at the various stages of fetal development–with real fetuses that never made it to this side of life–is cool and fun because you’re just a Science Nerd :tm:. But deep down maybe you know how uneasy you feel. Is the frozen rictus on that man’s face intentional or is that the consequence of his life ending abruptly before being skinned and lacquered for your viewing pleasure?

    We can choose to attend an exhibition of inhumanity and ghastly cruelty.

    We can choose to create our own exhibition of humanity and hope.

    I know which I’ll choose.

  5. Two quotes from Martin Luther King, reflecting (imo), on the long now:

    "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.” He wrote that in 1963 from the Birmingham Jail.

    King gave us some hope in 1965 when he said,
    “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”

  6. The very end of the Old Testament is Malachi.
    The last two verses of Malachi are as follows (KJV):
    5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

    6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

    There is a lot of speculation (and religious tradition) surrounding these verses and the curse that is mentioned. The appearance, influence and domination of the nudging state and oligarchy is an interesting and frightening one that occurred to me as I read your post.

    As for your ark, it may not be your secular version but

    sounds pretty close to what you are describing in the post.
    It is run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, rather than an explicit for-profit company like which is owned by Blackstone. is a current existing structure/website that fits your description and is ready for use; rather than having to build one from the ground up in conjunction with hundreds (maybe thousands) of underfunded local public libraries.

  7. So encouraging, Ben. I’ve been wandering in my faith, for a while. I worked as a pastor at a church for almost 10 years and, as of now, haven’t been to church in 16 months. I stumbled upon Pt.1 of this series of notes when it was circulating Twitter and it blew my mind. This series (among other ET notes) have resonated so deeply for me. The notes are helping me map out and make sense of the new wilderness season I have found myself (and our world) in. In particular to this note: building a house of faith that is “a secular faith that celebrates the human Mystery” is something I want to be part of…and, the idea of NOAH leaves me feeling…hopeful. The fact that you’re such a fan of Cormac McCarthy and that you were able to give great meaning to a scene that has always given me goosebumps/transcended my understanding is just so cool. Thank you, Ben! Looking forward to participate in Carrying the Fire… and, reading more notes.

  8. [quote=" The appearance, influence and domination of the nudging state and oligarchy is an interesting and frightening one that occurred to me as I read your post.

    The introduction to Malachi in the NRSV Harper study Bible tells us that people had turned to evil and away from God. “The people in the land were discouraged. Times were hard; they were experiencing drought and famine, a spirit of apathy and difference in spiritual backsliding existed.” Is history repeating?

    Sounds like what Ben is writing about with respect to the present time and the need to return to one’s roots.


  9. Avatar for DaHoj DaHoj says:

    “Within a few decades, I believe it will become feasible to make a holographic recording of everyone”

    Everyone Everywhere All At Once.

    If things don’t work out so well it would be a good idea to have some low-tech solution - a Second Ark at the other end of the [technology] universe. I have no idea how that would work.

    This group (Mission & Activities | is “a modern digital archive that is dedicated to documenting everyone’s history” for a particular group of voices: we have created a digital platform for anyone anywhere in the world to collect, archive and display oral histories that document not only Partition, but pre-Partition life and culture as well as post-Partition migrations and life changes .

  10. Profound writing Ben, thank you. I’m struck by similarities to Jung’s exploration of the collective unconscious as a pathway (Arc) for your Ark where story telling of the human mystery thrives and is built upon. I find myself closest in proximity (and clarity) to my own story when surrounded by family and friends, but also when surrounded by raw nature. This makes sense of course, as your mind can flush the constant noise of the the nudging oligarchy, and replace it with clear signals of natural sounds (and stillness) found in forests, mountains, deserts, and oceans. Anyways, nature is part of MY story, but is a collective force as well for OUR story.

  11. Avatar for bhunt bhunt says:

    Thank you, Curtis! There is a clarity in nature that sometimes expresses itself (in my mind, anyway) as a sense of stillness AND sometimes as a sense of awe.

  12. Somewhat tangentially (but maybe not), I’d like to float the notion of investigating narrative sentiment (the zeitgeist) through a “myth/theory lens”

    Consider a 2X2 matrix plotting “theory sentiment” on the x-axis and “myth sentiment” on the y-axis.

    Then imagine a person who dismisses an “idea” by saying “it’s only a theory” at the left end of the x-axis.

    Imagine another person likewise dismissing an “idea” by saying, “that’s just a myth” at the bottom end of the y-axis.

    	Religionism		|    Wisdom
    Theory -----------------------------------
    	Nihilism			|     Scientism

    Among the questions that interest me here are, "what does it look like to live in the quadrant that takes science and myth seriously—takes them as necessary “goods”?

    “What does it mean to take seriously the notion that science and myth express fundamental, equally irreducible ways of knowing and being in the world”?

    “Can we say: myth and theory are empirical, in the sense that they point to and provide us a way to systematically investigate the world”?

    “Can we say: myth and theory are metaphysical in the sense that they point to and provide us a way to imaginatively interrogate this same world”?

    (Here you’ll notice one or more of my biases, like there is at bottom, in some real sense, “one world.” I’m not sure I can defend that notion here, but I acknowledge it.

    You’ll also notice hints of a value system. It seems intuitive to me, but I welcome thoughts from anyone who finds it interesting or interestingly wrong for that matter.)

    All that to say, to my ear, @epsilontheory’s invocation of the “Old Stories” seems to implicitly acknowledge the value of myth as I’m conceiving of it.

    Coda: I’ve a lot more thinking to do about this. I mentioned Alasdair McIntyre’s After Virtue to @epsilontheory on Twitter a long time ago. I have particularly in mind what MacIntyre has to say about what he calls “predecessor cultures” — mythmaking societies like Homeric Greece, Old Testament Israel or Pre-Christian Scandinavian societies – and the way those societies shape their cultural heirs all the way down to you and me.

    That’s tied up with me thinking about what it means to gather a pack that shares no given origin story—because that seems to me that’s where a lot of us are headed. Here using “given” in a strong sense as something that provides moral or physical constraints we did not choose, but that we must nonetheless learn to live with together.

    NOAH: “Second Foundation meets Templeton Foundation”?


    Anyway, that’s all I have for now.

  13. Andy,

    "what does it look like to live in the quadrant that takes science and myth seriously—takes them as necessary “goods”?

    It looks just like today’s scientific understanding of the universe.

    The book, “The Medium, the Mystic and the Physicist” explained that 50 years ago.

    At the beginning of the previous century physicists were coming to grip with the strange concept of quantum physics.

    One of the pioneers was Werner Heisenberg’s Principle of Uncertainty which caused a great stir even among scientists. Einstein was said to have said, “God does not play dice with the world.”

    50 years ago, Jacob Bronowski, in a BBC series highlighting his book, “The Ascent of Man”, explained that the principle of uncertainty would be better expressed as the Principle of Tolerance.

    Below is a summary of his thoughts:

  14. Thank you for this.
    I loved Bronowski’s show on PBS.

  15. The statement about Napoleon inventing the Levee on Mass in 1793 distracted me while reading this. It was the National Assembly that invented it, although a few years later when Napoleon came on the scene, he clearly used the tool to his advantage.

    I am visiting my 11 day old grandson and thinking about the story I would like to leave for him. Ben definitely tapped into and stoked my anger at the amount of my life and connection time that is spent working to maintain health insurance, worrying about taxes, discussing stupid choices for president, and avoiding debt.

  16. Avatar for Laura Laura says:

    Interesting ideas. I am reminded of another take on a system of cradle-to-grave debt – one that says that “debts that can’t be repaid, won’t be repaid”. It’s in a piece describing the societal need and historical practice of a debt jubilee, an idea borrowed from the book Debt: The First Five Thousand Years. Pluralistic: 08 Jul 2022 – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

    I’m intrigued by the idea that a society that protects creditors at every turn eventually turns creditors and debtors into a hereditary caste system, absent periodic debt cancellation. It makes me think of the core belief of libertarians, that government should only exist to enforce (debt) contracts and protect property (rents).

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