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Ben Hunt

September 16, 2025·30 comments

Welcome to The Continental - Charon

Charon the concierge (John Wick)


I’m not going to call it the best part of the John Wick movies, because that’s a matter of taste. But the genius part of the John Wick movies – the most compelling part of the John Wick movies – is the world-building of a vast subculture of paid assassins and the infrastructure of Continental hotels that support them. If you’re not familiar with the John Wick universe, every major city in the world has a Continental hotel, an ultra-luxe sanctuary for assassins only, where no ‘business’ (i.e. killing) may take place. It’s a deep and engaging world-building concept, where every possible hotel service is reimagined as an assassin service, from a ‘sommelier’ who helps you select weapons rather than wine, to a ‘concierge’ who is as comfortable wielding a bazooka as making a dinner reservation.

When you watch the John Wick movies, you believe that there are literally thousands of paid killers in every city, all part of a coherent and stylish world-within-the-world that makes sense in its own terms. You suspend disbelief for the 2-hour duration of the movie and allow yourself – not to move of your volition – but to be moved through this plot-driven story arc.

Deep and engaging world-building is the essence of every commercially successful entertainment ‘property’ or ‘franchise’, from movies to games to television to books. Each of these entertainment concepts – these entertainment ideas – creates a world that a) makes sense in its own terms and b) is charismatic enough that we willingly suppress our critical thinking in order to be moved through an externally written script. And by ‘willingly suppress’ I don’t mean that we begrudgingly surrender our autonomy of mind. I mean that we seek out opportunities to surrender our autonomy of mind. We pay good money to surrender our autonomy of mind. We desire to surrender our autonomy of mind.

Why?

Because we find meaning – by which I mean a satisfaction of mind stemming from an alignment of the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves  through the coherence of a well-constructed external world and the story arc of a well-written external script.

That satisfaction of mind may be short-lived and an entertaining diversion, as in imagining yourself as a wizard in the constructed world of Harry Potter or as an assassin in the constructed world of John Wick, or it may be years-long and a core part of your identity, as in becoming a successful trader in the constructed world of derivative markets or a respected professor in the constructed world of collegiate education or an antisocial nihilist in the constructed world of gaming and 4chan memes.

Yes, the meaning found in blackpilled online chats and extreme antisocial behavior can be just as impactful and coherent and ‘sticky’ for some as the meaning found by others in prayer and community service. Satisfaction of mind comes in many shapes and forms, and the externally constructed worlds and scripts that might be utterly destabilizing and foreign to your sense of self may be exactly what gives your neighbor or your child a sense of being that’s ‘true’ to their internal dialogs. It’s one of the hardest lessons in life, that people we love or care about or work with or share something important with – like humanity or like citizenship – can find meaning and immerse themselves in a constructed world that we find hateful or destructive.

For example …

For years now, many Americans have found a satisfaction of mind in the coherent, i.e. making sense in its own terms, constructed world presented by mainstream media and mainstream academic institutions, where most Republicans and evangelical Christians are frankly just not smart enough to see the rank, self-evident social injustice of their political positions and/or are racist, sexist deplorables themselves.

Today, many Americans find a satisfaction of mind in the determined social media campaign to identify and root out the leftist celebrators of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, part of a coherent, i.e. making sense in its own terms, constructed world presented by the White House and its political apparatchiks, where the Democratic party and its major donors are not just wrong on policy but are an evil, murder-encouraging cabal.

But, Ben, it’s true!

That’s the response I will get from readers on both of the paragraphs above, followed by examples of world-building coherence that support the core scripts, either Democrats-are-evil-murder-encouragers or Republicans-are-dumbass-fascist-enablers.

I’m not going to argue with you. When you find meaning in a constructed world you stop being an observer of that world and in your mind you become a resident of that constructed world. Now if that constructed world is declared by its distributor to be ‘not real’ (Harry Potter, John Wick) then most of us (but not all of us!) are able to separate our mental residence in that constructed world as ‘daydreaming’ and a temporary visit to a fictional world. But if that constructed world is declared by its distributors to BE the ‘real world’, then your mental residence in that constructed world will be as real to you as sitting in a chair and reading these words. Realer even. Arguing with a reader who believes and finds meaning in the coherent world-building of Democrats-are-evil-murder-encouragers or Republicans-are-dumbass-fascist-enablers is exactly like being inside a John Wick movie and arguing with Charon the concierge (of course his name is Charon) that his world of paid assassins isn’t real. It’s not an argument that is possible to ‘win’, and you’ll only end up annoying Charon. Which you really don’t want to do!

No, I have little ability and even less desire to ‘debate’ any truth statements regarding any of these coherent, constructed, meaning-providing worlds, in no small part because I, too, am a human being who finds satisfaction of mind through his acceptance and belief in externally constructed worlds and scripts. Not these Democrat-focused or Republican-focused worlds + scripts … honestly I believe that ALL humans have an exquisite capacity to be dumbass fascist-enablers and that ALL institutions of sufficient scale trend inexorably to become evil murder-encouragers … but you don’t have to dig too far to find the constructed worlds and their respective scripts that give my life meaning and which I consider to be as real and true as the chair I’m sitting in right now. Realer even.

It’s not wrong or dumb to find patterns of meaning in the external world and make them part of our internal self. That’s what the human animal is neurologically evolved to DO. That’s what being human IS. But that also means that none of us humans can be a ‘neutral’ observer in the sense of being ‘outside’ this system of constructed worlds. Every human being who has found meaning in their life has been welcomed to multiple Continental hotels by multiple Charons across multiple constructed worlds, to which we have said why thank you very much, Charon! and to which we have suspended our disbelief.

Importantly, though, me saying that I am not going to argue truth statements from within a coherent constructed world is NOT me saying that I think these two beliefs – Democrats-are-evil-murder-encouragers and Republicans-are-dumbass-fascist-enablers – are fine and dandy. I am NOT a moral relativist where all beliefs are equally valid. I think that LOTS of beliefs, including these two, are wrong-headed, totally infused with ulterior motives by their distributors, and will damage you badly over time. No, it’s me saying that I’m never going to talk you out of your belief in a wrong-headed constructed world from within that constructed world, because all of these constructed worlds, even the wrong-headed ones, make sense in their own terms.

The only person who can talk you out of your belief in a wrong-headed constructed world is you.

And how can that happen? It’s never easy. But I think our best chance at reevaluating our own beliefs and the ways in which we find meaning in these constructed worlds is by focusing our attention on the system of constructed worlds and their associated scripts, especially the distribution mechanisms and emergent properties of that system. A system-focused perspective requires critical distance. It requires stepping back for a broader view. My hope is that by stepping back from any individual social franchise of meaning, we can all (me included!) climb out of whatever specific narrative water we are swimming in and have an actual conversation about where we humans are positioned right now in this system of constructed worlds and scripts. And how we change it.

Because make no mistake, I believe that we are absolutely, 100% enslaved by our modern system of world-building and embedded script injection.

What is that system? Well, here are the players:

Hollywood is my shorthand for the distributors of entertainment ‘franchises’ (i.e. constructed worlds) and the scripts of social mores, ethics, culture and celebrity that these franchises inject into our brains. Anything associated with the word ‘content’ is part of this shorthand, so ‘news’ and ‘media’ and ‘social media’ are all part of what I mean by Hollywood.

Wall Street is my shorthand for the distributors of economic franchises and the associated scripts of time, value, property and exchange injected by these constructed worlds. Anything associated with the words ‘money’ or ‘wealth’ is part of this shorthand. More than any other shorthand entity on this list, Wall Street and the scripts of money embed themselves in the other distribution networks.

Washington is my shorthand for the distributors of political franchises and their associated scripts of power, social order, rights and legitimacy, at all levels of organization and exercise (not just the US federal government). Anything associated with the words ‘law’ or ‘government’ is part of this Washington semantic entity.

Harvard is my shorthand for the distributors of educational franchises and their associated scripts of caste, class, status and prestige, which in turn drive our primary social scripts of occupation, mobility, friendship and mating. Many of these scripts were originally part of the constructed worlds of the Church, but academia has far surpassed its ancestor entity in its world-building power.

For all four of the semantic entities on this list, obviously I’m using a single placename to represent an extremely wide range and diversity of real-world institutions and practices, but I trust you to get it. And also obviously, these four semantic entities are not the only distributors of constructed worlds and embedded scripts. The Church is still a world-builder and story-teller of importance, as is the Military, as are the Outcasts and the Gang.

But I think that Hollywood, Harvard, Wall Street and Washington dominate the projected ideas of modernity, and together they form a global distribution system of world-building and script injection that declares an enslaving reality into being.

And how does the system function to accomplish THAT?

Same as it ever did.

Plato allegory of cave bright 3-2

Used under license from AdobeStock

 


Plato, “The Allegory of the Cave” (The Republic, Book VII) c. 380 BC

Socrates: And now, let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened or unenlightened: --Behold! human beings living in a underground cave, which has a mouth open towards the light and reaching all along the cave; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets.

Glaucon: I see.

Socrates: And do you see, men passing along the wall carrying all sorts of vessels, and statues and figures of animals made of wood and stone and various materials, which appear over the wall? Some of them are talking, others silent.

Glaucon: You have shown me a strange image, and they are strange prisoners.

Socrates: Like ourselves. And they see only their own shadows, or the shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the cave?

Glaucon: True. How could they see anything but the shadows if they were never allowed to move their heads?

Socrates: And of the objects which are being carried in like manner they would only see the shadows

Glaucon: Yes.

Socrates: And if they were able to converse with one another, would they not suppose that they were naming what was actually before them?

Glaucon: Very true.

Socrates: And suppose further that the prison had an echo which came from the other side, would they not be sure to fancy when one of the passers-by spoke that the voice which they heard came from the passing shadow?

Glaucon: No question.

Socrates: To them, the truth would be literally nothing but the shadows of the images.

Plato wrote this 2,500 years ago. Two thousand five hundred years ago!!

LOL.

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You think there is anything new under the sun? You think we are any smarter or any different than the residents of Plato’s cave, watching a movie of projected images on the wall and believing with all our might that this constructed world IS the ‘real world’? Please. The only difference between Plato’s system of idea projection and mental imprisonment and our system of idea projection and mental imprisonment is a) our technology and b) the sheer scale of global resources devoted to idea projection and mental imprisonment!

Okay, Ben, that’s the fifth time you’ve mentioned enslavement or imprisonment. And I get that Plato said the same thing. But let’s stick with that cave prison for a bit. Who are the guys throwing the shadows up on the wall to keep us docile? Who are the puppeteers?

I think most readers of Plato’s allegory make the very literal interpretation that the puppeteers are actual people, that they are the leaders of the corporations and governments and institutions who are trying to mesmerize and put one over on the public. I think this is a mistake. I mean, yes, there are actual human beings who construct these worlds-within-the-world and there are actual human beings who write the script for the story arc embedded in these constructed worlds and there are actual human beings who market and distribute these ‘franchises’ for Hollywood, Harvard, Wall Street and Washington. But I promise you that every leader of every institution, from the President of the United States down to the president of your local community college, is as much in thrall to and mesmerized by the movies playing in their head as everyone else. No one is immune to or outside of this system. Or as John Maynard Keynes put it, “Practical men who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back.”

Plato doesn’t over-analyze his own allegory, but a close reading suggests that Plato saw the puppeteers as our own senses. Not only do we see and hear and experience the world in a highly limited way, but we don’t even see and hear and experience things directly. Even our limited perception of what a bird actually is has to be projected to us as part of a story or narrative in order for us to ‘see’ it.

But this interpretation of the puppeteers is unsatisfying, too, even if it’s closer to Plato’s views on the primacy of the ‘ideal’. Whether the puppeteer is another human or our own senses, who or what is providing the statues and figurines that the puppeteer lifts into the firelight? How do those statues and figurines come to be? What is possessing our senses (or our leaders) and causing them to present these statues and figurines rather than some other statues and figurines?

I’d like to suggest (and I think Plato would approve) that it is the ideas themselves that are providing the statues and figurines, that it is the ideas themselves that are causing the puppeteers, whether they are our leaders or our own senses, to behave in a manner that constructs worlds and scripts to support and propagate the ideas.

I’d like to suggest that the ideas themselves have a goal-achieving impulse, which is where things get … interesting.

One way to think about this goal-achieving impulse is that there is an emergent property to this system. In exactly the same way that Adam Smith described the behavioral impulse towards efficient price-setting within a capitalist system as an ‘invisible hand’ that acts as if it has a goal-achieving impulse, you can think of this behavioral impulse towards world-building and script-writing within a semantic system as an ‘invisible muse’ that acts as if it has a goal-achieving impulse.

Another way to think of this goal-achieving impulse is to consider ideas themselves to be living organisms. And not even a borderline notion of ‘life’ in the way that a virus is borderline alive, but more in the way that a parasitic organism like a cordyceps fungus or a toxoplasma alveolate is alive  … not only requiring a host organism to reproduce and spread but actively puppeteering the host organism to engage in behavior that aids its life cycle and propagation. Maybe not a hardcore parasitic relationship where the host gets nothing but death and pain out of the deal. Maybe it’s more of a symbiotic relationship. But it IS a relationship, and it’s necessary to ask what both parties give and get in the relationship.

I know this second approach is a mental stretch. But I’d also ask you to consider that it wasn’t that long ago when no one even knew that microscopic organisms even existed. Germ theory wasn't a thing 200 years ago. We had no words for a ‘virus', and everyone in the world would have looked at you funny if you had said that these infinitesimally small packages of nucleic acid were real and alive. But today we all believe in germ theory. Today we all believe that microorganisms are real and alive, albeit in a truly alien way and within a truly alien world that no human has ever directly felt, heard, smelled, tasted or seen. I'm asking you to give the same consideration to semantic organisms.

[For more on this, see the Narrative and Metaverse series]

Ultimately, though, whether you use an ‘invisible muse’ emergent property on human behavior in the aggregate or you use a parasitic/symbiotic influence on human behavior on an individual level, I think you get to the same place. It’s pretty clear that the ideas themselves – particularly ideas of meaning that create a satisfaction of mind and a coherent sense of self – physically change our individual neurochemistry. I’m asking what the ideas themselves get out of this, and I think the answer is that they are the beneficiary of a powerful and ubiquitous human behavioral incentive to support and propagate the ideas themselves. We humans receive the mental satisfaction of ‘meaning’ in our brief meat-lives, and in exchange we devote a significant portion of our lives to the defense and further spread of these ideas. From a systemic perspective, I think the ideas have the better end of the deal!

 

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“Ignorance is bliss.”

 

There’s a scene in The Matrix where Cypher is negotiating the betrayal of his crew. He’s plugged into the matrix so that he can experience a delicious steak dinner. It’s not real. It’s purely a mental construct and Cypher knows it’s purely a mental construct. And that’s okay! As Cypher says, he’s fine with being a battery for the machine overlords so long as he remembers nothing about the true exchange relationship between humanity and the thinking machines. Ignorance is bliss, indeed.

Yeah …

It seems to me in an increasingly obvious way that our global allocation of resources is incredibly skewed towards the idea-propagating, thinking machines. I mean, when more than half of all American economic growth this year comes from investing in the thinking machines, I think you have to ask yourself what the difference would be if an actual AGI machine overlord were calling all the shots!

It seems to me in an increasingly obvious way that the world-building and script injection efforts of Hollywood, Harvard, Wall Street and Washington are not only accelerating enormously across every semantic dimension, but are also accelerating into specific constructed worlds and scripts – like Democrats-are-evil-murder-encouragers and Republicans-are-dumbass-fascist-enablers – whose sole purpose is to stoke division between humans and prevent humans from cooperating to achieve pro-growth policies, and as a result actually undermine the institutions of Hollywood, Harvard, Wall Street and Washington.

It seems to me in an increasingly obvious way that our children and our young adults are being welcomed more and more by virtual concierges into blackpilled constructed worlds that do NOT originate from Hollywood, Harvard, Wall Street and Washington, where our children and our young adults find meaning and a satisfaction of mind in scripts of nihilism, gambling and despair. It seems beyond obvious to me that young humans are dating less, mating less, and having fewer babies as a direct result of their immersion in these profoundly anti-growth virtual worlds.

It seems to me in an increasingly obvious way that ALL of this is purposeful, not in an AGI overlord sort of way, but in an emergent property / parasitic organism goal-achieving sort of way.

It seems to me in an increasingly obvious way that we ARE batteries for the thinking machines and LLMs that are native to the semantic dimension, as we enthusiastically divert not only our natural resources but more importantly our human resources of time and attention and effort away from human propagation and growth and towards idea propagation and growth.

It seems to me in an increasingly obvious way that the ideas themselves have ‘broken containment’ from the institutional walls of Hollywood, Harvard, Wall Street and Washington, such that the world-building and script-writing impulse that supports idea propagation is not only endemic among humans and no longer controllable by human-oriented institutions, but can also be effectively mimicked and distributed by the thinking machines at scale.  

What was responsible for breaking containment and releasing the ideas themselves into the world? Social media. As Rusty Guinn shows, the advent of social media technology is as profoundly impactful on the human brain and human society as the advent of language itself. Put this together with the advent of thinking machines that are native-born to the semantic dimension of ideas and …

 

Welcome to The Continental. We do hope you enjoy your stay.

 

The Singularity isn’t some future event. The Singularity already happened.

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“Rehoboam Circle”, Westworld (2020)

 

You know, over the past 13 years of writing Epsilon Theory, I’ve come back again and again to this quote by Joseph Conrad, author of Heart of Darkness and Lord Jim:

The question is not how to get cured, but how to live.

I would love to tell you that I see a path back to the before-times, but that would be a lie. Sure, I can imagine our own Butlerian jihad, to take a page from Dune, where we seek to eradicate the thinking machines and outlaw social media platforms and stuff the ideas themselves back into the institutional bottles of human control, but c’mon, man. That’s nothing but a daydream and constructed world of its own. There is no path of return for human society. There is no ‘cure’ for an endemic disease.

But there is a way to live.

We live as humans with an autonomy of mind.

We step back in order to see the semantic system as puppeteer. And from that vantage point of critical distance, we reapply our disbelief to ALL constructed worlds of declared reality, no matter how appealing to our internal dialogs, no matter how much satisfaction of mind is promised to us.

We celebrate the primacy of lived experience with our family, friends and neighbors. Not just the lived experience of joy and celebration, but the lived experience of pain and loss, too. We share it all and we check in with each other more than we scroll.

We stop arguing truth statements from within any constructed world, no matter how wrong-headed we think it is. We especially stop arguing truth statements with the people we care about the most. Instead, we encourage them to see the system for what it is, and we trust them to reclaim their autonomy of mind on their own, because that’s the only way it can happen.

Our autonomy of mind is our birthright. It is not ladled out to us from some central pot, and it cannot be taken away from us. But we can give it away, sometimes in pieces and sometimes all at once, and that’s what the semantic system encourages us to do.

We see you, system!

And today we begin to reclaim our minds.

Comments

Kaiser147's avatar
Kaiser1473 months ago

I think the reason the these ideas have found a way to propagate outside of centralised control of the aforementioned 4 institutions of scale is that algorithmic engagement metrics effectively let’s it find the most engaging content irrespective of whether the content is useful to the powers that wield it. This means the ideas have a way of propagating irrespective of “effort” if matched to the right people.

You can try to inject “sticky” concepts like “Charlie Kirk was a hero and we are sad he is dead”, but whether a concept is “sticky” depends on how these concepts hold in the face of criticism, “Charlie Kirk has made comments like death is the price of guns.”

These 2 concepts are both divisive but matched to the right people they can propagate in parrallel without competition- however the adversarial nature of the comments create a story which causes people to pick a side and that makes it more sticky. So even the people who are inclined to be pacifists probably feel the pressure to choose.

This is why the arena of social media is a competition game where people argue Coherence over each other and no one has the monopoly on it. The most powerful man in the world Donald Trump is mocked relentlessly on all social media. Engagements and likes always find a way.

However I think Ben there is a bit of complacency here, I think the tech moguls are attempting to take power back at all costs. You said there isn’t one or two people projecting the shadows on the wall, but lately, can’t we feel some pretty obvious shadows forming for particular interests?

You can reject the nature of the projection which is created by the symbolic world of meaning, but we have some seen some acquisitions and pressuring of social media companies (tiktok ongoing deal, twitter), the marriage of tech and politics- thus making them explicitly political.

Also the vast capex towards databases, seemingly to train the current AI into something useful, though I wonder what use AI will take in a world where they feast themselves on unlimited social media content and whether this thing will be called “AGI”. Those social media influencer slop is getting scarily good at imitating real life.

Such a world for me seems likely to be a panopticon in nature (all our social media entries will be logged and categorised with our ID attached) while an Emperor wearing no clothes in every direction dances, baiting us to call out the situation and face the consequences (dissent will be catalogued).

Personally seems like a social credit score is being created to serve the entrenched interests and I am uncertain how we get back from it.


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temucin3 months ago

Man I love John Wick lore so this one had me pulled from the jump. Really feel like you’re giving us the semantic foundation we need to MPT at scale @bhunt. Beyond doing what I can within my circle of influence, I’ve struggled with understanding why it’s so hard to replicate that vibe.

The opportunity, and challenge, really feels like its about being able to build new institutions that are more resilient to the Big 4 you’ve identified. But is it even possible to institution-build in today’s landscape without succumbing to narrative games? Probably not (Be Slightly Evil comes to mind), so then maybe it’s about finding the minimum narrative needed to exist but stay resilient from darker influences? And then at that point, my attention-deficient mind pulls me back for a stay at The Contiental…

Also I deeply appreciate that this is the epilogue I was craving to Rusty’s “Men of God” series.

From Rusty:

Narrative is inherently an abstraction of what it means to be human, and what it means to be human is inherently the reification of narrative.

Pairs so we’ll with this:

I think our best chance at reevaluating our own beliefs and the ways in which we find meaning in these constructed worlds is by focusing our attention on the system of constructed worlds and their associated scripts, especially the distribution mechanisms and emergent properties of that system


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rguinn3 months ago

I think that’s happening, but I think the argument Ben makes (and which I would make far more strongly than he did) is that the wetware algorithms in our heads are responsible for far more of this than the software algorithms powering what we see, which are far more responsible than the intentions of the original authors.

I am genuinely curious whether this is truly your experience. The degree to which an argument stood up to scrutiny / pressure / intellectual challenge / evidence has not seemed especially relevant to its stickiness for quite some time in my view. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding your point here?

I think the challenge Ben sets for us here is to see that the horse and cart have switched places. Yes, I think it used to be the case - or at least much more the case - that common knowledge missionary interests drove the spread of complex symbols like these prevailing narratives, and that they did so with definite intent. And clearly, as you say, we may observe that these created worlds and stories often still serve the interests of certain parties more than others! But are those parties successfully directing and consciously designing their creation and spread or are the emergent created worlds and stories showing those influential parties where they need to go to take hold of their influence?

I think there is mounting evidence that the powerful are not those who can most forcefully express their will and influence through control of stories and created worlds, but those who most successfully understand which stories and created worlds are poised to emerge from the system, stake a claim over them, and associate their identity with them. It explains a great deal about the, shall we say, rapid detachment of many political and social institutions from their historical principles, values, beliefs, platforms, and practices.


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chipperoo3 months ago

If we want to reject a social media score, we have to reject social media scores for others (including those with whom we disagree).


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Desperate_Yuppie3 months ago

I have an observation that’s (maybe?) adjacent to the theme of this Note.

Over the last decade or so we’ve seen a rise in the field of so-called alternative history. For those unfamiliar the basic concept is that there are still many unknowns about our distant past, and in the siloed world of academic archeology these matters remain settled, but to those outside of the system there are still open questions. The field has grown thanks to mediums like YouTube and podcasts, so now there are more voices discussing what many believe is a highly fascinating topic. Within this community there are all manner of people from various backgrounds, some doing serious history, geology, engineering, etc. There are also some kooks and cranks, though that comes with the territory I suppose.

The interesting thing is how the world of academia interacts with this growing number of interested amateurs. No one is more petty than an academic who has been challenged by some random dude who seems to have made a discovery that was overlooked for centuries. You can almost witness the ‘system’ fighting back as a physical being, like a Voltron formed by a dozen parts, hellbent on destroying this YouTuber who until six months ago was just like an electrician or something. I would argue that whether any particular academic is right or not is irrelevant, because the process of discovery and discussion is in a certain way more important than the outcome. But it all appears to the outsider as an argument that is both predictable and seemingly highly choreographed, as if this exact scenario has played out a dozen times before throughout human history. The constant push and pull between ideas whose cement has long since hardened and the new kids who show up with a jackhammer.


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Kaiser1473 months ago

I’d agree with you there that humans are still the reason it works. It’s a similar concept to why adverting works is because that’s how minds work- bright colors will be appealing to kids, etc..

But the interesting idea here is that advertising didn’t have the capability of “self” curating and self replication like it does now outside of our wetware. Previously it would incubate in our minds then vectorise through us, now it is capable of spread itself through social media in a way that is sticky and could be argued autonomous.

Imagine if I decided to bring meme like, “molloch” from this place into another closed group, that was the typical method of vectorisation before social media. Now what happens is that there is typically some form of ragebait that gets upvoted, the algorithm realises that it’s popular so has the power with engagement maximising focus to make it popular.

I could have been clearer here. Criticism as in criticise, not as in critical. If people reject it because it doesn’t appeal to them, then it has no hope of survival. That’s why it has an easier time if people believe it to be true first.

You could argue this current admins sole focus right now in social media is a period of ‘hypernormalisation’ for this reason. Without normalising the conversation into the common lexicon and psyche, people aren’t capable of accepting it. The uncertainty and backtracking all feeds into the disillusionment of reality and institutions which overtime makes it hard for any sort of resistence to the system reboot of civilisation the US is going through.

Tangentially in my birth country of Nepal, they shot a bunch of students execution style during a protest. While this was obviously a tragedy, I argue the shocking act wasn’t the catalyst for the regime change that happened afterwards, it happened because the manner and speed in which the atrocity was carried out made it impossible for people to accept it. There could have also been some co-ordinated effort from rival powers but ultimately I think the shock to the system was too much to bare. Like taking an ice cold shower in the middle of winter- your body will flinch unless conditioned for the cold.

Could be chicken or the egg argument. I don’t think it can exist without the other? If humans weren’t easily manipulated in this current way, these individuals would probably opt for different methods of manipulation. Even if we become aware of the shadows on the wall, until we are aware of the people casting the shadow, would we really be capable of breaking out of this prison of the mind? They are quite capable of changing the game and I think most of history has been just that. The Wire has a bunch of amazing quotes for his logic.

I do agree with this. The political chameleons tend to adapt to new environment and survive. Go back 10 years and it was all about green power and the future (lol), now it’s all about god and Christian values (lol).

However I think the writing is on the wall- the powers that be were terrified of being seen. I proposed the panopticon is what we will experience in the future, but couldn’t we also see that this was the world these chameleons were experiencing? Why are they removing our right to privacy while enshrining theirs? The moment Elon/Swift was getting their private jet tracked was the writing on the wall. Hard to virtue signal with your shorts not on.


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handshaw3 months ago

Yes, I would argue this also, as an elder returning to the awe and wonder of a child. Questions are much more important than answers.

Thanks DY,

Jim


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william.hobi3 months ago

Ben -

So much to unpack here. You know I’m a big fan of “The Fourth Turning Is Here.” Fourth Turning’s are all different, and I think you are outlining the shape of this one. The headlong rush by Silicon Valley to achieve AGI is as ill considered and dangerous as was the headlong rush into social media. If you read “The Chaos Machine,” “Careless People” and “Nexus,” you realize the potential danger of these new technologies and the nature of the people promulgating them.

When you speak about the world of reveries inside our heads, you are describing a subject matter buddhist monks have spent eons delivering to neophytes in dharma talks. Yes, there is a way out - humanity must evolve to a higher level of consciousness. It’s called enlightenment. It’s what a very few people have devoted their lives to achieving for thousands of years. But we’re not, other than in ways that are so small as to be nearly unmeasurable.

Instead, collective humanity is still mired in ego pursuits that are literally destroying the planet in myriad ways. When you step back and look at how we are managing the world today, one wonders how long it will take the AGI software to figure out that WE are the problem…. just like in The Matrix films. It is a highly likely conclusion.

I was going to lead off with a discussion of the current trend toward fascism in America, but you went very quickly to the 40,000 foot level in which such discussions seem pointless. However, I will say that using the labels Republican and Democrat to refer to the antics of the two political poles in the US today is quaint. On the Republican side of the aisle instead of Everett Dirksen we have Stephen Miller (everyone should read “Hatemonger”). On the Democrat side of the aisle instead of John F. Kennedy we have Gavin Newsom. There is no Republican Party today; there is a MAGA cult with Trump playing the part of Jim Jones. And the Democratic Party seems to have completely disappeared into an abyss of gender-affirming care.

Maybe one outcome of this Fourth Turning will be the birth of completely new political expressions in the US that display a higher general level of consciousness, but I doubt it. The debilitating effects of social media on the collective consciousness, particularly that of young people who have grown up with it, is turning our minds into perfect hosts for the AGI to come.

Fourth Turnings in the past have resulted in horribly destructive wars, and this one might, too. But perhaps there is an even more frightening denouement that awaits us on the other side of this one. What will life be like when we get there? Would that we had the level of consciousness to safely move us past this crass existence in which we find ourselves.

As you have repeatedly said, “It’s going to get worse before it gets better.” I’ve found my Pack and am actively engaged in making, protecting and teaching. But that’s a story for another day.


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handshaw3 months ago

Even in the Great Ravine, every breath is a new beginning.

This reflection grew out of Ben Hunt’s writings on The Great Ravine and his reminder that our autonomy of mind and spirit is a birthright that cannot be taken away, only given away. I’ve brought that together with Hannah Arendt’s idea of natality — the miracle of beginning anew — and with my own reflections on feeling, myth, and the shared responsibility we hold when we say: there are no other people’s children.

I offer it here in the spirit of dialogue — as one reflection among many, part of the ongoing conversation about autonomy, renewal, and the world we are trying to reclaim together.

Ben Hunt reminds us that our autonomy of mind and spirit is our birthright. It cannot be taken away, but it can be given away. That simple sentence carries the weight of our present moment, what Hunt calls The Great Ravine. Institutions fail, narratives collapse, trust erodes — and yet autonomy remains, fragile not because others can steal it, but because we so easily surrender it.

Hannah Arendt offers a parallel truth in her concept of natality. For her, the central miracle of human life is not mortality but birth: with every child comes the possibility of beginning anew. Each birth renews the world, carrying within it the capacity for something unprecedented. Arendt’s natality and Hunt’s autonomy belong together. To be born is to possess the freedom to begin. To have autonomy is to safeguard that freedom.

I have learned in my own life that my thinking was largely given to me — shaped by tribe, by culture, by history. But my feeling is different. Feeling is my recursive reflection of the universe. It is there, in feeling, that autonomy still lives. And yet it is precisely here that we are tempted to give it away: to slogans, to ideology, to the condescension of language that pretends to be truth.

This is why I say there are no other people’s children. Each child embodies natality, each child carries the same birthright of autonomy. To see this truth is to recognize that autonomy is not a private possession but a shared inheritance. It takes a biosphere to raise a child, and every birth is a beginning that belongs to us all.

The Ravine may feel bottomless, but natality insists there is always another beginning. We have seen this rhythm across thousands of years of human history, echoed in the old myths. The Tower of Babel reminds us that language can scatter rather than unite. The Floods remind us that destruction is part of life’s rhythm, but also the opening to renewal. Reincarnation reminds us that beginnings return again and again, not once but in cycles. Each myth carries the same message: collapse and renewal, scattering and gathering, loss and return.

In my eighth decade I feel this rhythm in my own body. I return to the awe and wonder of birth — not to the beginning of my thinking, which was given, but to the beginning of my feeling, which is mine. Natality is not only for the young. It is also for the old who breathe again into a new beginning. Each breath is another chance to reclaim the autonomy once surrendered.

The Ravine shows us collapse. Babel shows us scattering. The Flood shows us loss. Reincarnation shows us return. Natality shows us renewal. Together they form the human rhythm across time. Through them all runs a single thread: our autonomy of mind and spirit is our birthright. To be born is to begin. To begin is to be free. To be free is to feel. And there are no other people’s children.

Hannah Arendt, The Human Condition
“The new beginning inherent in birth can make itself felt in the world only because the newcomer possesses the capacity of beginning something anew, that is, of acting.”

Ben Hunt, Epsilon Theory
“Your autonomy of mind and spirit is your birthright. It isn’t ladled out to you from some central pot, and it can’t be taken away. But you can give it away.”

Jimmy Handshaw
“Feeling is our recursive reflection of the universe. There are no other people’s children.”


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lorneinglis703 months ago

That is a lot to digest Ben. Will need to read it a few times. Thanks for the note. Must admit that I’ve never been able to completely understand Socrates Cave.

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