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The Elton/Hootie Line

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cartoox's avatar
cartooxalmost 6 years ago

on a lighter note, i suppose thats why all the music after 2000 pretty much sucks…it always amuses me that the tracks everyone gets up and dances to are from the 1970s-1990s. especially the kids today who weren’t even born then…


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plagueofcustomalmost 6 years ago

Great note. And aside from dealing with the here and now, and offering a prescription (the hardest part, I think) that can get people engaged - I have kind of an “academic” question: Why are we now living in the “widening gyre,” and the “long now,” or why have we fully embraced the volume/compression matrix in society and politics? If you look at all sorts of measures it looks like something “breaks” in the late 1970’s and then continues growing through the 80’s and then accelerates starting in the early 90’s. I wonder if you have a view on “why” this has happened (or an essay you could point me to). Do you think there are feedback loops to the way we measure things as well?

Just musings, I suppose (I’m not demanding explanations).


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Schasealmost 6 years ago

Rusty, great post. It’s hard to find people who believe in something that contains more than lots of calories and no nutrition. From “A Note On The Music Industry”: “According to Pollack, this diversion is a compositional device commonly used by Lennon and McCartney, which he says is, ‘deferred gratification.’ Pollacks’ choice of words to describe the song is an interesting counter-point to more recent generation that seems obsessed with instant gratification.” https://www.lbs.co/blog/a-note-on-the-music-industry


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rguinnalmost 6 years ago

Thanks for sharing this. I really enjoyed that writeup.


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rguinnalmost 6 years ago

I think you could do worse than to pin it all on the fundamental transition of social interactions from mostly bilateral to mostly crowd-watching-the-crowd over that time. That fundamental shift makes loudness - which is often explicitly but sometimes implicitly designed to exploit common knowledge - a dominant strategy that forces others to play too. Or lose.


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rguinnalmost 6 years ago

Hah. Well, of course I agree. In honestly, I think that feeling is partially nostalgia (everyone thinks this about new music!). But I DO think it’s partially reflective of the second order effects described above: “What music would you make if music were really about this?” And if that’s “sounding good on the radio so people buy records”, you’ll do X. And if it’s “Make the most money on Spotify” you’ll do Y.

And those things are cartoons, not nearly the same as “music people will enjoy the most”, much less “the best music”, if such a thing can be argued to exist.


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Zenzeialmost 6 years ago

Worth the wait.

‘Nuff said


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Mpm186almost 6 years ago

Ha! And there I was, convinced that my “real” guess was the correct one ? !! Very excited for the ET swag, thanks guys!


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Landvermesseralmost 6 years ago

I’d love to learn more about how and why optionality disappears in the transition to Competition Games.


rguinn's avatar
rguinnalmost 6 years ago

Noted. We can absolutely explore this specific dimension a bit more.

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