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I'm So Tired of the Transitory Inflation "Debate"

Ben Hunt

July 1, 2021·16 comments·In Brief

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james.odemuyiwa's avatar
james.odemuyiwaover 4 years ago

Great article. I think one of the most interesting points (which you allude to in your discussion of 2015/16 PCE) is why these debates don’t materialise when the shoe is on the other foot. In early 2020 we had just 3 months of negative mom CPI but there was no debate about whether this effect may be transitory and related to the temporary suspension of huge swathes of the economy.


Barry.Rose's avatar
Barry.Roseover 4 years ago

“The bank is something more than men, I tell you. It’s the monster. Men made it, but they can’t control it.” ~ John Steinbeck, ‘The Grapes of Wrath’


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lpusateriover 4 years ago

The FED is omnipotent if you do not believe me just ask Jim Cramer.
There is a little sushi bowl place around the corner from my office I hit it once a week for lunch - my sushi bowl and a water (same exact bowl every time) $12 bucks for the last few years, last month I was taken back when it was $15 , yesterday $17 !
The Spaghetti Factory (I really need to quit eating pasta for lunch) I almost went into a carb coma Monday when I ate there. Anyway , no more lunch menu - so my $8 dollar lunch is now $15. Is the portion bigger? Maybe… its hard to tell.
Fiat news is one of my favorite notes of all time , and I think Ben is correct to adjust that to a fiat world!
I do see signs that people are realizing how much misinformation they are being fed.
I have many retail clients and the majority now openly joke with me about fiat CPI numbers - this is new.


lpusateri's avatar
lpusateriover 4 years ago

Edit the FED is also omniscient.


anthony.kaleta's avatar
anthony.kaletaover 4 years ago

That Arthur Burns was a comical genius!

That aside, thanks for introducing me to the concept of inflation being a “rolling series of shocks through one goods/service category after another.” I’ve not come across that explanation before and it completely reframes the current inflation debate for me! Thanks Ben.


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tk3612over 4 years ago

This conversation has been readily occurring at my place of employment. Most indicate it is all statistical because values were suppressed in 2020. My positioning is to stop framing the argument as “either/or”. We can have a statistical anomaly due to the lower inflation levels in 2020 as we “revert”, AND we can have actual inflation in the price companies and individuals pay for the things which much be purchased. I find it usually ends with me asking a question if they think the price they pay for groceries/education/insurance/housing has only meaningfully increased in recent months and do they expect those prices to meaningfully decline in the upcoming months/year.


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Henryvipt2activsciiover 4 years ago

I appreciate much how you frame our receipt of the language from on high. I propose a simplistic language response to the tautology: PCE excludes the “volatile” components of food and energy. What else do we live on, besides food and energy?


RetiredRgg's avatar
RetiredRggover 4 years ago

Yr/yr oil price comps through yr end are almost triple digits. Rent comps are going to be double digit through next spring as well.


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lpusateriover 4 years ago

Bingo!


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Joelover 4 years ago

The Fed can do QE to any extent they deem reasonable. QE supports ALL assets - stocks, bond prices, real estate, and even collectibles like Bitcoin. However, the Fed cannot manipulate the markets forever. When the data on inflation becomes so apparent and so persistent that Powell is embarrassed into stopping QE then the bond vigilantes will have a less expensive proposition to enforce the free market price discovery of interest rates. At this point, Powell can keep the short-end at zero as long as he wants and create whatever false narrative necessary but he will be too embarrassed to do QE. So at some point, the markets - not the Fed - will run monetary policy. Until the GFC and the crossing of the Rubicon with QE, markets forced the Fed. What QE does is to suspend free markets. Congress controls the purse. QE should be removed from the Fed’s unilateral hands.

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